[abeyer]

I know that everyone's situation is different, but I really don't get people who accept that kind of commute time unless it's something you want or you have no other options. (I know people who like to drive and get their only "alone time" in the car on the commute, so it works for them, but they tend to be the exception.)

If you value your time at $100/hr (probably low end of the spectrum for a skilled dev in most of the US), that comes to an opportunity cost of $4,000/month you're losing to driving back and forth. And that doesn't even start to account for the actual costs of driving, nor the mental energy of dealing with doing it. (I want to bang my head against the steering wheel after 30 mins in traffic, and then spend at least twice as long decompressing and not productive after that.)

I know that's very different than $4k cash for most people, but it's worth thinking about

[shados]

And now you know why rent in big cities around tech hubs is so crazy high: because its worth it (and building more housing will just attract more people)

[abeyer]

Yeah, personally I gladly suck it up and pay to live walking distance to most of where I need to go.

Unfortunately the impact of the people willing to do that on other people who can't earn $100/hr is pretty awful. I suspect in the long term that is going to end up gutting cities that don't find some way of dealing with it.