[taurath]

I'm not so sure. Skin sales are the entire business model of Dota2 and LoL - the difference is who develops the skins. Valve has shown they rarely want to be involved in dlc and skin creation, they've always been community first in that sense.

An RTS or an RPG lends itself to modding tools better than an FPS in general.

[ajmurmann]

> An RTS or an RPG lends itself to modding tools better than an FPS in general.

We got some awesome FPS mods in the past though. Team Fortress and Counter Strike stick out as the most prominent examples.

[croon]

Left 4 Dead too. I see a pattern.

But other stuff like modes in games: Capture the flag, Gun Game, etc would probably not be a thing without mods for Quake and original Counter-Strike.

[ajmurmann]

Sorry, I'm a little confused by your response. Are you saying L4D started out as a mod as well and using the "but" in an unusual way or are you unaware that both CS and TF were originally Quake and HL mods?

[croon]

Sorry, I realize the phrasing was bad.

"But" should've probably been an "Also". I was only trying to point at the difference between TF, CS and L4D starting as mods and ending up as full games and CTF and Gun Games starting out as mods (even though the CTF concet has existed outside of games long before) and ending up as only game modes in other full games.

I'm not a native :)