Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by sarim 3329 days ago
Don't worry axyjo, its free for early users but we'll turn on pricing soon.
1 comments

If you're going to charge me a subscription instead of mining and selling (even abstract insights), I'm game. But first you have to promise you'll never mine and sell my inbox.
Mining and selling your Inbox data isn't our business strategy. We have a subscription-based pricing model and we'll turn that on soon (2 months).
When we ask for you to say "we will never mine and sell your inbox" and you instead say "mining and selling your inbox data isn't our business strategy," I hope you understand why that would make people nervous about using your product.
It's not your business strategy today. It's your business strategy next year when you need to get more users and/or get more money per user.
It's also important to note what information some future third party will get access to if/when the company is sold at some later point.

I doubt a ML model trained on personal correspondence can be useful and anomomized.

I think what is making people nervous would be something like this phrase from your privacy policy:

>We may collect other information that cannot be readily used to identify you, such as (for example) your Email Meta Data and IP address of your computer.

You make clear earlier that you will not sell or rent personally identifiable information:

>If you do provide personally identifiable information to us, either directly or through a reseller or other business partner, we will: not sell or rent it to a third party without your permission

But it is unclear what "email meta data" means and whether or not you will rent or sell anonymized data "that cannot be readily used to identify you". Other questions might include how long you store this information.

With all due respect "mining and selling your Inbox data isn't our business strategy" is not the same as "we will never ever ever ever sell or mine your Inbox data". My inbox is too precious for any potential loopholes.
@stevesearer Both of those points are there so that we could train our ML Model. But I fully understand people's concerns.
Yeah, I understand collecting data is a part of training your model but it could be worth explicitly saying that zero data (either personally identifiable or anonymized meta data or any data at all) will be sold or rented. And if a change to that policy happens, include in the language of the user agreement that it isn't retroactive and only applies to new accounts.

The vague language is what bothers people. Probably having very strong language in the opposite direction (that you will NEVER sell any data, and would shut down rather than sell it) would probably win you favor.

@stevesearer Both of those points are there so that we could train our ML Model. But I fully understand people's concerns.

Dude, you are being vague when trying to allay peoples' concerns about your vague statements. Not a good sign.

haha https://clean.email scroll to the bottom ;)