[mtempm]

Re fundamental morals:

I would wager >95% of people agree on these. I've never met someone who didn't have an understanding of fundamental morals, except for a few people whom I consider to be a psychopaths.

I really would bet that most of us dont need an education to know that killing children for pleasure is wrong and disgusting. However, we might be split on whether spanking your children as punoshment is wrong. I think people understand the difference.

[golergka]

> I really would bet that most of us dont need an education to know that killing children for pleasure is wrong and disgusting.

Can I remind you that abortion is legal and funded by the state in most of the first world?

It's not that I have a personal opinion on the matter (I find it too complex to develop a definite opinion), but it does come pretty close to what you're describing.

[mtempm]

It's not. An egg moments After fertilization experiencing suffering requires quite a bit of inagination, while we all can agree a child can suffer. Where we draw the line between that is obviously somewhat up for debate (and no one in their right mind is saying we should kill born babies for pleasure).

[golergka]

You seem to be using subjective experiences and the ability to experience them as base for your moral system. Is it the case? Why?

[mtempm]

I dont believe for a second that let's say you did something you knew to be evil, such as kill a child for convenience, and were hypothetically asked about this in an after life: "why did you do it, you knew it was evil," that you'd be able to say honestly that you didn't actually know that.

As far as I am aware anything is possible, but suffering and happiness seem to be real.