[jwtadvice]

> I lie, you lie, what's the difference?

Definitely not what I'm trying to say.

> No, there is truth, it's something to strive for, and it makes all the difference.

Absolutely. This requires that one does not take any propaganda position to be wholeistically true including those of your home country.

The search for truth comes not from authority or consensus, but from experiential reality. No authority and no consensus has a monopoly on experiential reality including the American domestic and international propaganda programmes and the consensus that they create or the Russian domestic and international propaganda programmes and the consensus that they create.

Propaganda is influence.

Facts are facts.

[hackuser]

>> I lie, you lie, what's the difference?

> Definitely not what I'm trying to say.

To be clear, I did say that I was taking it out of context and that my objection is to when it's taken too far.

> Propaganda is influence.

> Facts are facts.

Very well said.

However, I do think that comparing American and Russian propaganda is a false equivalency; they are not similar at all - that is what I'm referring to when I object to saying 'it's all the same'. I'm not naive; I don't at all trust everything the American government says, but there are many, many major differences between American news and information and Russian.

[jwtadvice]

Yup.

Regarding the differences it's important to both compare and contrast.

The US likes to try to color Russian propaganda as "evil" or "illegitimate" or "propaganda based on lies" or some such other nonsense. There are a great many ways to contrast the propaganda programmes, but doing it moralistically is counterproductive and ineffective.