[interfixus]

"But linux wasn't made to be easy to use, to be quick and easy to install, to install other software onto, etc"

For what it's worth (which may be not a great deal): I have installed a lot of Windows and Linux over the years, but my Windows experience has been lackin further and further behind these last few years. A short while ago, I had to a rare chance of setting up two identical machines side by side, one with Windows 10, one with Manjaro, an Arch Linux derivative. The Linux install finished sooner and with less need of interference than the Windows one. It also didn't require preparatory messing round with weird licensing codes and what have you, and of course it didn't require one tenth the amount of postprocessing to reach the desired level of functionality - compare the twenty second operation of setting up a LaTeX which worked to the corresponding twenty Windows minutes of setting up one which didn't.

Your anecdotal mileage may obviously vary.

[dvtv75]

A couple of years back, I installed Windows Vista on a Lenovo something (no idea what). Took me three days to find most of the drivers and get it all running, and about an hour to do the actual install. I ran it for a few weeks, then the software I was using had a Linux release, so I threw on Kubuntu (15.04 I think it was). Took me no effort to get drivers, as everything (bar the ancient Geforce 3D drivers) just worked out of the box. The system prompted me to install the 3D drivers, and I was done in under an hour.

Windows Licensing had a funny issue, though - I typed the number in, it rejected it, so I typed it in again, verified every character, it rejected it, typed it in a third time, it accepted it. Installed, booted up, and then it told me that I didn't have a genuine Vista (although the sticker on the system was genuine). I used it for a bit, intending to fix it later, and then one day it popped up telling me I needed to activate the system with a genuine number, which it did without asking for a new one, told me happy things and enjoy my Windows experience.

It's enough to drive you to drink...

[dahauns]

You needed twenty minues for

  choco install latexdistofchoice 

?

(Yeah, I know, I'm being a bit facetious. I omitted three additional lines of PS to first install chocolatey...)

[interfixus]

I need a lot more than twenty minutes to learn about and ascertain the validity of some third party installation robot, which your choco-thing appears to be.

I then need some minutes to get it started.

And yes, installation proces itself took something on the scale of ten to twenty minutes.

Pacman -Syu (or Pamac if you're in a clicky mood) took care of everything in less time than the BibTeX took to download download.

[dahauns]

> I need a lot more than twenty minutes to learn about and ascertain the validity of some third party installation robot, which your choco-thing appears to be.

> Pacman -Syu

So it's basically "I know one system much better than the other". And your ignorance is somehow the fault of the OS now?

[interfixus]

If you fail to understand the difference between an integrated package management system overseeing all or most software installation, and a third party bolt-on component like your chocolate robot, we may not really have the basis of a meaningful conversation here.

Anyway, I am not putting anything or anyone at fault. As clearly stated, I was relaying some anecdotal evidence of probably very littly use to the world at large.

[dahauns]

I agree about the lack of a basis. Educate yourself.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/reference/5.0/pa...

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/reference/5.0/pa...