[WillyOnWheels]

I'm not really sure what point you're making. Or rather I violently disagree with you that vigilantism works. How does it work? Are you saying Goetz shooting people on the NYC subway led to a dramatic reduction in crime? Are you basing your claim from one line from a Huffington post article from this author?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/sogfeld-774

Somehow info from BART officials made it to the various news outlets. The news outlets wrote stories on it. I knew about the incident by Sunday. I read about it somewhere. I was not on the train.

BART didn't pretend the robbery didn't happen.

[bdrool]

I noticed you replied to me twice (once here and once in another subthread), saying you'd spent time looking and "wasted [your] life". You also seem to be going further down the road of ad-hominem, describing the author of the first article I wrote as an "NRA spokesman". You seem ideologically driven and therefore unlikely to listen. But here goes anyway:

"Vigilante Mobilization and Local Order: Evidence from Mexico"

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/522fc0aee4b06bf96fa60...

> Our empirical approach traces the sources of recent self-defense groups to the early twentieth cen- tury Cristero rebellion and, using an instrumental variables approach, we show that contemporary community mobilization has succeeded in reducing a broad range of crimes.

Also I note that you're pushing back against my statement regarding things being swept under the rug (e.g., your statements about "somehow" this making it to the news). Did you also notice that the link to this article is gone from the HN front page? My intuition is that the public in general is going to turn a blind eye to this topic, until they can't any more (that's usually when something really bad happens). Note again that I am very unhappy with that idea and wish it were not so, but it strikes me as unfortunately very likely. I'd love to be wrong, but I see nothing to indicate otherwise. There is always hope I suppose.

[WillyOnWheels]

> describing the author of the first article I wrote as an "NRA spokesman"

Go read the 1,000 articles Richard Feldman wrote for the NRA and his own gun lobbying group.

> "Vigilante Mobilization and Local Order: Evidence from Mexico"

Comparing current conditions in America with the Cristero Rebellion or the Mexico drug war is odd. I argue we're not there yet.

What I really wanted from you is evidence that Goetz shooting people on the NYC subway resulted in lower crime rates.

> Also I note that you're pushing back against my statement regarding things being swept under the rug (e.g., your statements about "somehow" this making it to the news).

You were claiming BART was deliberately not informing the public about the robbery incident, just like Richard Feldman was claiming that the NYC subway system was deliberately not informing riders that crime plummeted because of the Goetz shooting.

I argue that BART was not withholding details of the shooting. As evidence of this, I maintain that there are tons of newspaper articles about the robbery out there. If BART was suppressing the incident, they're not doing a very good job of it.

> Did you also notice that the link to this article is gone from the HN front page?

No I don't pay attention.

> My intuition is that the public in general is going to turn a blind eye to this topic

We're all talking about it!