[nomiyor]

I am an indian who had worked with one of them and i really hated it. The poorly paid employees are just kept waiting for an onsite opportunity to US or europe. The leads and managers are a disaster. It is good that it is happening and will help the indians and not just the US citizens. Atleast with this a huge number of employees with will not be abused with the onsite dream.

[wlesieutre]

A non-indian friend of mine worked for one of them out of college and didn't love it either. And it's not just the H1-B abuse, there's a class action suit for discrimination against the few Americans they actually hire. Filed back in 2015, I can't find any news on where it went.

Anyway, seems like a crappy place to work all around. Except for management, presumably.

[nomiyor]

These managers dont manage they plunder and abuse. Now i am in another software product company in India the leaders / managers dont act that way. They motivate and lead by example and not take advantage of young and motivated associates aspirations

[winter_blue]

A more general question to ask based on this is: is there something about Indian culture (or people who grow up in India / Indian culture), that make many of the managers complete jerks?

The same question could be asked about corruption in India. A lot of Indians just seem overly eager to screw each other over, and lord it over each other. You see this in Indian colleges, with the so-called phenomenon of "ragging", which is really just socially accepted mental/physical abuse.

I just feel Americans (while many are total assholes), that the majority are generally much nicer as a people, and they don't treat each other like complete crap. What's wrong with Indian culture? How does Indian society manage to cultivate so many terrible people? (serious question)

[mavelikara]

I was born in India, lived there until I was 27, and then lived in US for 10 years. These are my observations, written in a hurry without much careful thought.

The petty corruption in the small scale is pervasive in India. I find that not the case in US. Most people one interacts with in US are honest (except car salesmen :). But at the higher echelons of society, the corruption is at a much larger scale in US.

I compare this with driving in both countries. In India the number of accidents are much higher, but the fatality per accident is much lower. In US, accidents are rare, but when it happens, the likelihood of someone getting killed is high. I think this is because drivers in India each try to squeeze out small advantages, and as a whole the traffic never gets to gain much speed, so when the inevitable accident happens, it is often not fatal. But in US, far more people follow the rules, everyone moves faster on an average, but the one careless driver in the group can cause much more damage.

I think of corrupt behavior the same way - the average Joe is not corrupt in US, so the society as a whole makes much better progress. But that leaves the system vulnerable to the action of one sociopath, so at the high end you see much bigger scandals.

[kamaal]

As an Indian, my long analysis says the society experiences serious levels of scarcity.

Therefore there is a perennial drive to gather for yourself whatever you get, while you have the chance.

[kermire]

I think there are strict laws against ragging in India and it's definitely not socially accepted at all. Where are you getting your information from?

[peeyoosh]

as an Indian, on some level, i agree with you. there is something seriously wrong. over population, less living space, compromises, orthodox social structure, such a low income per person can be some reasons of such jerk behavior.

[winter_blue]

I've heard people from both India and China use high population and living space as a crutch and an excuse for the various problems of their countries. But the fact is, it doesn't hold any water.

Japan has a very high population density + high forest/natural cover, meaning people are squeezed into very tiny living space, yet the (generally) respectful and selfless way in which they treat each other (in general) is something most other counties learn from.

Similarly, Germany has 80+ million people living in a tiny parcel of land, but they're doing fine, and they've kept their country a beautiful and great place to live.

Just the condition of the streets in major cities in India tell a lot--strewn with garbage and resume. Yoy walk over empty McDonald's fries holders and cups, when you walk the streets of some cities. In some cities, you have a semi-open sewer system that runs by the road, creating a foul smell on evey street, and helping breed mosquitoes.

The almost repulsing and disgusting state of place places, the streets, and cities in general--tell a lot about the apathy of the people of the things that are outside their home.

[kamaal]

>>It is good that it is happening and will help the indians

These sort of things make it harder for the deserving employees.

People who already H1's are now treated as kings to which every single person in offshore centers are supposed to bow and do whatever asked for.

The new people who get H1's will now be people in the inner most circles of the cartels.