[crazy2be]

Fallacy of the excluded middle. They can do something more than Apple (i.e. not just USB-C ports), but less than others. The Apple design doesn't end up being small or light, because to actually use it you need a plethora of connectors.

At a minimum, I would expect standard USB, headphone, sd card reader, standard HDMI, mini displayport.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me that an HDMI connector adds more than a few grams of weight. Thickness, maybe. But even then.

VGA and ethernet could be nice too, but wouldn't see much use in my case.

The battery could be removable (i.e. half internal half external, like the thinkpads).

Optical drive is obviously not much use in a laptop anymore and should be external. (this one actually adds weight and not just thickness)

[hvidgaard]

I'm of a different mind. A laptop is inherently portable, and I want wireless.

- No headphone cable, I have bluetooth headphones - No ethernet, I have wireless - No hdmi/displayport, I have chromecast/miracast

In general, I don't want to connect all that much to my laptop. And for the things I want to I'd prefer a universal connector such as usb-c. Make a docking station that works over usb-c where I can connect whatever is on my work desk such that I only have to plug in a single cable and everything is good for me.

[crazy2be]

You can do both. My point is that most of the ports and features they removed really cost nothing in terms of weight, and so aren't really engineering tradeoffs in a sense, but rather design tradeoffs (i.e. thinner). In the feature/weight space, they are not even close to the pareto optimum.

Personally I find wireless anything to be a persistent pain and not worth the trouble, but since it costs almost nothing to add, I'm totally cool with adding it. Maybe in 10 years it won't suck.

[hvidgaard]

Only thing that isn't quite there yet is casting of the entire screen. Casting video to chromecast just works. My BT headset just works. Wlan just works.

[keymone]

vga and ethernet on modern laptop is a sin. they are barely younger than 5" floppy disks.

[crazy2be]

VGA is still the most common connector type I see on projectors and in conference rooms. It's being slowly replaced by HDMI, they might be about even now.

Ethernet is still the premier PHY layer for people who want their shit to work. Wifi is still flaky as crap these days in many places. Thus, there is no Ethernet replacement yet.

As chriswarbo says, the age of the tech is completely irrelevant. Instead, it's the utility / cost tradeoff that matters. A floppy drive would be expensive in terms of weight/size, and would be useful to approximately 100 people (10 if it's 5"). VGA and Ethernet adaptors would be useful to probably 1/2 to 1/4 of the users, and cost almost nothing to have.

Also, VGA specifically is one of those ports that's still really nice to have, just in case. Last thing you want is to show up at a conference room and not be able to plug in your laptop.

[keymone]

> cost almost nothing to have

you're dead wrong here. it costs space, which is a precious resource in modern laptop builds.

i just feel like companies and people hanging on to these archaic technologies is hindering progress and adoption of newer and better technologies. after all why do you need thunderbolt port if you already have the vga? why do you need better wireless chip if you can always plug in the cable? these stupid decisions are made on a level that impacts the whole industry.

[jhasse]

BAM: https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_sony...

[keymone]

right, so how do i stick thunderbolt cable into that thing?

[Can_Not]

If I needed a VGA, I'd prefer a mini Display Port with an adapter cable (which are relatively cheap). If they made a micro DisplayPort, that would be cool too.

[chriswarbo]

Is it a sin to use the latin alphabet on keys? That's several thousand years old.

What's wrong with widely used communication standards?

[keymone]

great straw man!