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by ianamartin 3355 days ago
I'm sorry this is getting downvoted so heavily, but there's a legitimate point here about the way things are talked about here. When Uber breaks the law and does really bad things and endangers people's lives, it's questionable at best. It's fighting outdated regulations that haven't kept up with the times, artificial monopoly busting, etc.

Theranos tries to apply the same kinds of tactics, and people are literally calling for Holmes to go to jail.

If you don't think there's a gender variable about how this is reported and perceived, you're nuts.

Most of you in this thread are approaching this the same way my ancient dad talks about women getting involved in the war effort during WW2.

Are women able to be as good at being men as men are? No? Then they have no place in x.

The conversation typically ends there because we have all these set phrases that we use to protect ourselves from our biases. "Decisions are decisions. Doesn't matter who makes them." Yeah right. It does matter who makes them, fellas. Marissa Mayer eliminates work from home at yahoo. The world freaks out. Jeff Bezos does the same thing at amazon: he's smart. This is good for the culture.

Or people say, "Code doesn't care who you are. It's either good or it's not. Doesn't matter who wrote it." Which is also bullshit because whether or not it compiles is the bare minimum for getting code into a review to begin with. It's everything after it compiles that's subjective.

The problem here is the implicit standard we have ingrained in us. When we interview a guy, it makes sense. Are you as good at being me as I am? Yes? Great. Hired.

The issue should be obvious by now, but I'll make clear: if you only hire people exactly like you, you only get products that are exactly like what you want.

Diversity in the workplace isn't about diversity because it's fair. It's because we need it to produce real products that people want to use. It's because being a man in the world isn't the only thing worth doing, and we need to have our minds changed and our perspectives altered some times.

We are refusing to value anything different from ourselves. Which stupid. The idea that any of us really know it all is really fucked in the head.

I currently work at a company with a female CEO. She makes different decisions and places priorities than any male I've ever met would.

And I could not be happier. It's totally different from any job I've ever had in the tech world, and it's fantastic.

you people downvoting the thread need to grow up and take a closer look at yourselves and your lives. You are a big part of the problem with gender and racial bias in our industry.

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>Theranos tries to apply the same kinds of tactics, and people are literally calling for Holmes to go to jail.

The difference is Holmes was endangering people's health and lives.

<Marissa Mayer eliminates work from home at yahoo. The world freaks out. Jeff Bezos does the same thing at amazon: he's smart. This is good for the culture.

Didn't Mayer build a nursery next to her office?

>you people downvoting the thread need to grow up and take a closer look at yourselves and your lives. You are a big part of the problem with gender and racial bias in our industry.

Seriously? Calling out people as sexist when it's not there doesn't help.

Uber putting unlicensed self-driven cars that run stop lights puts people in danger. Has Theranos falsified tests that people need to survive? I don't think so.

Maybe back up on that endangering people's lives, or--if I'm wrong about Theranos--at least place them as equals.

Does it matter that Mayer built a nursery? I can't see how that's not a total non sequitur.

Calling out latent sexism where people think they are being completely normal--because sexism is completely normalized in the tech community right now is exactly what I will keep doing.

>Does it matter that Mayer built a nursery? I can't see how that's not a total non sequitur.

Her employees can't work from home and be with their young children while she gets an in office nursery.

Sure they can, thanks to the maternity leave that she extended to sixteen weeks. Meanwhile, she only took two weeks for herself.

In any case, it's absurd to compare the CEO. Do Amazon employees get to ride on Bezos' jet to get home faster? It's just a vastly different position.

What are you supposed to do after the sixteen weeks?
Quit your job or hire a stranger to take care of your baby.