[georgespencer]

> Autonomous cars are not going arrive for 10 to 15 years.

Tesla believes its cars are already equipped with the necessary hardware and that the software, including Tesla Network (their announced autonomous Uber competitor), will be going live at the end of 2017.

At this point five years seems like a long time horizon for autonomous cars being on the road.

[rgbrenner]

Saying they're going to release details at the end of this year is not the same as launching at the end of the year.

[georgespencer]

This might be the perfect Hacker News comment. It's a shifting of the premise to something which is axiomatically indisputable, but clearly has no relevance to the argument.

OP said that self driving cars are 10-15 years away.

I observe that the hardware has already been developed and that Tesla anticipates its software being ready within the next 12 months, suggesting that a ten year horizon feels conservative.

HN pedant wades in to make an irrelevant point.