[Dylan16807]

> Ownership is where you can get other people to support your possessory interest.

Getting other people to "support" it sounds like society. Is that the only difference? If possession is exactly the same as ownership-minus-society, then the original argument that ownership only exists because of society is pretty circular. If that's the case then I reaffirm there's a huge difference between society-only 'ownership' like IP rights, and society-optional 'ownership' like physical possessions.

> I think the fact of violence is extremely relevant, and that you are discounting the impact it would have on you.

I'm not discounting violence, I'm just thinking about how the enforcement of laws is backed by violence and wondering what distinction there's supposed to be.