[freeflight]

>They haven't thought that far.

Sorry, but that's not just a false claim it's straight up dishonest. Peter Sunde also started Flattr, the pirate party and the CCC have been trying to popularize concepts like culture coins for years, just because you don't know about these things does not mean they don't exist/nobody is thinking about better solutions.

Say what you want, modern copyright-law is simply broken and needs to be rebuild from the ground up to account for our modern digitally driven economies.

[johnfn]

It's not dishonest, it's representative of the actual situation. You don't even have to look very far: there are people IN THIS ACTUAL THREAD who admit they haven't thought about it and don't need to.

I wasn't saying "literally no one has tried to think this through", I was saying "a random guy off the street has not thought this through."

[freeflight]

>It's not dishonest, it's representative of the actual situation.

If you claim "they" don't even "think that far", while there are plenty of examples of "them" thinking further, then there's nothing representative at all about your statement. Copyright reform was, and still is, the platform the pirate party is running for all over the world.

The random guy off the street also does not think about solving energy problems for the world, as such random guy off the street can be hardly a measure for anything at all.

[anigbrowl]

Yeah, it does need to be rebuilt. but I have seen hardly anyone putting in any effort to do that, while lots and lots of people just help themselves to cultural output and excuse the resulting lack of revenue by saying 'lol copyright is broken.'

Maybe next time try offering some new solutions before wrecking entire industries that you know nothing about and didn't take the time to understand, instead choosing to characterize them as part fo some monolithic Big Media that you feel OK about hating.

[freeflight]

>I have seen hardly anyone putting in any effort to do that

Because the only people in any position to actually do anything about that are not willing to do anything about it.

But there are also plenty of examples for when the effort paid off in very big ways, like iTunes, Steam and the now thriving VoD business.

>before wrecking entire industries that you know nothing about and didn't take the time to understand

Like what? You offer nothing but dramatics while ignoring the actual realities. What industries got actually "wrecked"? And what industries profited immensely by appealing to customers demands, instead of trying to dictate to customers what they are supposed to "want"?

iTunes was a success because Apple took cues from what made music piracy so sucessfull. They took note of customers not wanting to be forced to buy overpriced full albums if they just want a single song, they took note of the ease of use.

Same story with Steam: Ease of use and massive discounts, lessons taken straight from the piracy scene and applied for business success.

VoD is going the same route right now but guess what mostly hampers the business from global expansion? Copyrights and the whole legal rattail that comes with it. Why does my German Prime subscription not give me access to Prime content on amazon.com or amazon.co.uk? Why do so few Blu-Rays have a proper selection of different subtitles/dubs on them? As long as "buying the real thing" ends up being more of a hassle than just pirating it, that long pirating will, of course, stay the more popular choice.

>the resulting lack of revenue by saying 'lol copyright is broken.'

Try to imagine the "lack of revenue" that would exist without iTunes and Steam existing, that's actual measurable revenue and not fairy tale "nobody buys my product, can't be because it sucks, must be piracy!" revenue.