[wonks]

That Murray was attacked during an unrelated talk is uncontested. My objection is that you referred to the defenders of centuries-old superstition as unorthodox simply because the cultural tide began to turn against them in the 20th century.

[yummyfajitas]

I agree that in some historical time, some of Murray's views might be considered orthodox. That doesn't make them orthodox today - nowadays he's subversive.

[wonks]

Only if we accept that racism is dead. To find proof to the contrary, we need only look to popular responses to videos of unarmed black men being killed by men with guns. And that's just scratching the surface.

[yummyfajitas]

Similarly, flat earthism is an orthodox theory since it was orthodox at one point and is not completely dead.