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by duren 3358 days ago
I love living in San Francisco. For me, it's a near-perfect city and climate. Obviously it is expensive but I find it completely worth it.
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Please consider joining YIMBY Action, SFHAC, or other pro-housing groups to try to make/keep housing less expensive.

https://kev.inburke.com/kevin/sf-housing-politics/

It may be that one of the things about SF that makes it attractive for OP is that it is expensive. Keeps the riff-raff out. Not that anyone in SF would ever admit that publicly.
> It may be that one of the things about SF that makes it attractive for OP is that it is expensive. Keeps the riff-raff out. Not that anyone in SF would ever admit that publicly.

This is really inaccurate, and especially discouraging on a message board for "entrepreneurs", who should really be in favor of cheaper housing close to venture capital, so new businesses are more viable.

https://kev.inburke.com/kevin/sf-housing-politics/

Is housing in tier 1 cities like SF a giffen good (where demand rises with price)? Possibly [1]. That said, it wouldn't be unique to SF if true and wouldn't detract from your other policy points.

[1] http://www.businessandeconomics.mq.edu.au/our_departments/Ec...

No, it's not. A ton of supply came on the market in 2016 and rents fell 5%.
> Keeps the riff-raff out

If you mean keeps the riff-raff out of homes and onto the streets, then yes.

70% of SF's homeless had homes in SF before they were on the street, and there's good evidence that high housing prices correlate with high homelessness. Decreasing home prices will probably help with homelessness.
> ...high housing prices correlate with high homelessness. Decreasing home prices will probably help with homelessness.

Nice weather, good infrastructure, funding for city services, and disposable income in the area could be driving both.

Pool of affordable housing might provide a better signal for homelessness than median housing costs in an area this expensive.

ie, There's probably not a large percentage of marginal homeless in SF, who could afford a $1.03 million home but not the current median $1.15 million home.

Either way, average rent is trending slightly downward, and Zillow predicts home prices in SF to fall 0.5% next year, so maybe we'll see.

I don't think these marginal shifts, even if magnified 10 times, will really be a substitute for something like housing first or mental health programs.

https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-san-francisco-ren...

https://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca/home-values/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_First

When I was in downtown San Francisco the streets were lined with homeless people. I had never seen so many homeless people in one area. Maybe there are not so many homeless in other parts of the bay area, but not from what I saw.
I was forced to move here to find a job. It's expensive; the weather is both monotonous and never great; the culture feels homogenous (just young professionals); salaries feel much smaller when adjusted for cost of living than any place I've ever lived.

If I didn't have equity to vest I would have zero reason to live here.

I'm not here to convince anyone that SF is cool. Just sharing my own personal opinion.

FWIW, I have a relatively low "tech" salary, so I don't disagree with you on the relative cost of living.

I understand there are a lot of young professionals here – and you may disproportionately exposed to that demographic – but there is certainly a lot culture and diversity in this city.

I agree with you, I would never consider living in a car centric American city. New York is my favorite American city (just as expensive) and I am lucky that lived there before moving to SF. Maybe I will move back one day but for now I am enjoying SF.
Yeah, I think this whole thread has less to do with costs and more to do with preference and values. New York is amazing :)
I can definitely agree on the climate but I can absolutely not agree on the city. To pick a few reasons off the top of my head: homeless, cleanliness, transportation, parks, walkability.

There are some good things about San Francisco, like the incredibly strong job market for tech workers but other than that I couldn't bring myself to live there.