[ferroman]

True, but not much team follow these, in practice. We just want to make it more specific and modern.

[vog]

> True, but not much team follow these

Isn't this a very good indicator that the Joel test is still sufficient?

Only once almost all companies pass the Joel test with 12/12 points [1], a modernization is needed to distinguish further between multiple offerings.

[1] or 11/12 points, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14078069

EDIT: Fix typo.

[ferroman]

It is relevant, but we try to make it more specific.

[vog]

Sorry, typo. I meant "sufficient", not "relevant".

[ska]

Is that a reflection on the test, or the teams?

[ferroman]

Teams, of course. The goal was to measure it, and we tried to be more specific.