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by sharun 3352 days ago
Centaur chess has been a thing since Deep Blue. I think the problem their future of ai stuff is having is most orgs have no idea which of their zillion problems actually needs this tech. Hopefully this will raise more awareness.
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tromp 3352 days ago
In Centaur chess, the human gets to consult the AI. In Pair Go, there is only alternating play, with no other form of communication, leaving the human guessing at the AI's plans.
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pps43 3352 days ago
I thought people stopped doing Centaur chess when it turned out that human+computer usually loses to computer alone.

There are still positions that people evaluate correctly but computers misjudge, but those are pretty rare.

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posterboy 3352 days ago
Pretty is nice, tell more please.
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pps43 3352 days ago
As early as 2013: http://www.businessinsider.com/computers-beating-humans-at-a...

Next year: https://www.chess.com/news/view/stockfish-outlasts-nakamura-...

And computers were only getting better since then.

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xoroshiro 3352 days ago
It's not as far as people might think though.

If I recall correctly, Nakamura used an older version of a weaker chess engine (Rybka). He also tried to force a relatively equal position (since he was behind in points anyway) which led him to lose because of risky play.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stockfish would lose to Stockfish + Nakamura or any of the leading chess players. These people have been using chess engines for analyses for quite a while now and certainly know their limitations.

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pps43 3351 days ago
The key idea of human+computer is that human does strategy and position evaluation, and computer calculates tactics and acts as a safety net to prevent human blunders. A weaker chess engine would still perform that function.

Granted it's all conjecture since no large competitions took place, but the mere fact that no such competitions took place suggests that the outcome probably won't be pleasant for humans.

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xoroshiro 3349 days ago
My point was tat with the same chess engine, man with machine beats machine.

I do see your point about position evaluation though. And yes, it would be interesting to see a tournament.

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