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by vishbar 3357 days ago
If Tradfri bulbs use ZLL, is it theoretically possible to connect Tradfri bulbs to an existing Hue network?
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Yes, some people have done it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcBp3wamIU0

However Philips appear to be modifying Hue software to prevent it. Cloud lock-in. https://developers.meethue.com/comment/2337#comment-2337

There was a firmware change in 2016 that blocked 3rd party bulbs but it didn't take long for the public pressure to influence them enough to revert it.

Philips Hue hubs do work with 3rd party ZLL endpoints. However, the likely reason they disabled 3rd party device support was because all Zigbee products have compatibility issues; nothing works as well as staying with one brand.

You can't always control all features and can't update firmware of all 3rd party devices from any hub. Sometimes you just need to manually configure the drivers (in code).

According to Phillips [1] it is IKEA not implementing the standard as they expect it to be implemented. That said, it's hard to say who is right here. Either way, consumers are losing out.

As a side note, IKEA's brightest bulb is 1000lm which is much brighter than the brightest Hue bulb, and it's cheaper :) I can perhaps see why Phillips would not go out their way to resolve this issue.

[1] https://developers.meethue.com/comment/2686#comment-2686

Edit: fixed typo of watts vs lumen :)

"IKEA's brightest bulb is 1000W"

1000 Lumen. 1000 Watt bulbs exist for grow lights but IKEA doesn't make them that thirsty.

Aaaaand home assistant can "emulate" the hue bridge to integrate them all seamlessly:

https://home-assistant.io/components/emulated_hue/

The Hue Bridge connects an IP network to a ZigBee network. That component emulates the IP side: it accepts IP commands for lights and translates them to Home Assistant devices. That's handy if you have something like an Amazon Echo that knows how to communicate via Hue's IP protocol.

What I believe you are describing would require a ZigBee radio and support for the ZigBee Light Link protocol (or maybe ZigBee Home Automation?). Luckily, there's a PR being worked on to support that in Home Assistant: https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/pull/6263