[Luc]

> I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

There's an inkling of empathy there, I suppose. It's a start.

[omginternets]

Yes, surprising though it may be to the vegan crowd, we meat-eaters are not heartless bastards.

We just disagree with you on the question of whether veganism is the answer to a very real problem.

[Luc]

I think you are wrong in the detail of your statements, but anyway, I am not vegan.

[mirimir]

Happy food is healthier. Bad vibes have physical correlates. That's part of kosher/halal standards.

[vetinari]

Really? Many consider kosher/halal to be a torture.

[mirimir]

Yes, I know.

But consider that bleeding to death is also considered to be relatively painless, as a suicide method.

[vukk]

Warning: descriptions of suicide.

I feel like this argument collapses when given any serious thought. Mainly because even without experiencing either, I'd consider drawing a warm bath and cutting your own wrists a very different experience compared to hanging upside down and somebody else cutting your throat.

[mirimir]

Point taken.

I've never cut my wrists, but I have experienced substantial rapid blood loss. The injury itself wasn't at all painful, in the moment. Not until much later, waiting to heal. And the experience was actually rather peaceful, rather like methaqualone or diazepam. Except for the freakout about stopping the bleeding, anyway.

It's my understanding that proper kosher/halal slaughter is supposed to be non-traumatic. Because trauma makes the meat taste bad.