[fullsage]

> So I checked if this matches their privacy whitepaper [0] that claims to list what they store. It almost does, with one notable exception and one minor one.

Maybe it's good that they've documented this somewhere, but I don't think most Wire users read white papers. I'm a dev and I was surprised. Their outward facing marketing didn't lead me to think they track all my contacts and the state of every conversation I am having. It very clearly suggests the total opposite.

They need to do much better than this if they want people to think they take security/privacy seriously.

>> * Every group that you're in.

> This is the same as conversations... they clearly need to know this to route messages.

Why? That's not true for Signal from what I can tell.

[gpm]

> Maybe it's good that they've documented this somewhere, but I don't think most Wire users read white papers.

In the sense of "most users don't read privacy policies", sure.

It's pretty clearly linked in their privacy policy as "this is where you should go for information", I know I'm not the only wire user who read it before installing it.

> Why? That's not true for Signal from what I can tell.

Ya... I think I overstated it. It's the easiest way to route messages but it's not the only way.