[nullnilvoid]

Remember that innovations in tech do not require disrupting the government. The tech innovators have little interests in sabotaging the government. Innovations in tech is different from breaking government rules. Tech innovations are about disrupting the incumbents such as Microsoft, Amazon, Google, not about the government. Quite to the contrary, the Chinese government encourages tech innovations. Not only that they allow them to innovate, they allow them to break existing rules. As an instance, China is one of the few large countries which have legalized shared cars nation-wide(Didi, Uber). Not even the US.

[chaostheory]

you're missing the big picture. the status quo isn't limited to just a government. It can be a dominant company, tech standard, belief or way of thinking - the world is flat, there is only one true Church

> Quite to the contrary, the Chinese government encourages tech innovations.

No they do not. When you threaten your people with 'Conform or else...' or 'we will watch everything you do and listen to everything you say', it hurts both the flow and expression of new ideas. In China's defense, this is one thing Western governments are trying to copy.

> As an instance, China is one of the few large countries which have legalized shared cars nation-wide(Didi, Uber)

Car sharing originated in the West. It was started by bypassing existing laws without permission. In contrast, companies like Didi were sanctioned by the PRC likely after 'hey look how much money they're making in SV off this idea'

[nullnilvoid]

> you're missing the big picture. the status quo isn't limited to just a government. It can be a dominant company, tech standard, belief or way of thinking - the world is flat, there is only one true Church I am not sure who is missing the big picture. Only one true church? This world is diverse. It is not flat. It is round. Tech innovations are predominantly about tech. When do you see the silicon valley disrupt DC? The US political system basically stays the same since it was founded two hundred years ago.

> No they do not. When you threaten your people with 'Conform or else...' or 'we will watch everything you do and listen to everything you say', it hurts both the flow and expression of new ideas. In China's defense, this is one thing Western governments are trying to copy. Not if you are talking about tech innovations. The government does not give a crap if you talk about tech. They cannot care less. If you are trying to sabotage the government or the society, then it is different.

> Car sharing originated in the West. It was started by bypassing existing laws without permission. In contrast, companies like Didi were sanctioned by the PRC likely after 'hey look how much money they're making in SV off this idea' Any evidence that show Didi was sanctioned by PRC? If no evidence, it is all FUD.

[chaostheory]

>the world is flat, there is only one true Church I am not sure who is missing the big picture.

You misunderstood. All of those things were really dominant in the past in the West but people were brave enough to rebel and disagree and put it in writing to overcome it.

> The US political system basically stays the same since it was founded two hundred years ago.

Not true. In the beginning people didn't directly elect the president. Women weren't allow to vote. African Americans were once considered property. Political parties have come and gone. The list goes on.

> When do you see the silicon valley disrupt DC?

The end of SOPA was one example. I'm sure there will be more.

> Not if you are talking about tech innovations. The government does not give a crap if you talk about tech. They cannot care less. If you are trying to sabotage the government or the society, then it is different.

I strongly disagree. The problem is that almost everything can be seen as 'sabotaging society' including posting on forums.

[blacksmith_tb]

Note that the government of the PRC has blocked and MITM'ed Github several times[1] which does not 'encourage tech innovations' in my view.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#China