[HelloNurse]

I see C++ and Rust in the opposite way: Rust is developed by Mozilla for its needs and about as open as something from Apple, while the C++ committees include lots of respected experts, many of which popular and/or friendly.

[Argorak]

If that were the case, much of the community-driven work going towards - for example - specific embedded targets wouldn't happen. What is the case is that one of the major users of Rust is Servo, which definitely runs into more problems at large scale then other projects.

Rust is primarily community-driven and that is a conscious choice by Mozilla. If it were primarily for Mozilla, we wouldn't run research into how production users use it.

Finally, Mozilla cannot be compared with Apple at all, for all that's bad about them, there's an extreme amount of stuff that happens very much in the open and the clear, with the possibility to influence it.

We have the discussion processes you want, but the language is 2 years old, it's certainly not comparable to C++ on that angle, yet.