[mks40]

I have contributed to dl4j though ;)

I did not mean not criticise dl4j at all, I was simply pointing out an example of a feature I know I was missing at a point, I think we are actually agreeing. It does not always make sense to start something from scratch even though it's fun and a great learning experience. The ramp-up to something really useful in deep learning is simply very high. Further, few people can be an expert on the whole stack and I have no problem admitting to myself that even if I spent 2 years writing something from scratch, many parts would simply not be as good as something I could copy from an existing open source library. That's why contributing to open source also makes more sense to me - you get to work on a part that you can be good at.

Also should point out that when I was having problems with custom loss functions a year ago you guys were extremely helpful on Gitter in discussing issues.

[agibsonccc]

Hard to tell from an HN user name :D. That's great to hear! I get how hard it can be - what you get out of it is learning though. We have some seriously cool examples that are just weekend projects for folks right now with javafx for example: https://github.com/deeplearning4j/dl4j-examples/pull/421

A lot of community contributions are in the examples now, if you haven't used dl4j in a while maybe take a look.