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> There are literally millions of C/C++ programmers and projects writing secure reliable code.

I believe that there are millions of C/C++ programmers that think they are writing secure reliable code. But these there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they don't and (for C at least) can't. There is plenty of evidence that at least C does not give you the proper tools to actually write safe code outside of trivial programs in the first place. (I cannot speak for C++)

You're still arguing a strawman. Nobody wants to take away your pointers, manual memory management, unconditional jumps or assembly, and nobody is suggesting that you don't need them. People just want to make it easier to use them responsibly without making the mistakes everybody keeps on making all the time.

[generic_user]

Those Millions of C/C++ programmers have certainly accomplished more and have happier lives then the Tens of armchair safety experts groking internet drama.

In my experience the people who wring there fist at C/C++ are generally people who at one point tried C/C++ and either got frustrated and quit or got told they suck or turned down at job interviews. Or they are people trying to sell you the new hotness and have some personal gain to accomplish. People I know who did some C/C++ and now work with other languages could care less about replacing C/C++. They just do there thing.

And honestly, academics and busybodies have been whining about safety and memory and hating on C/C++ for decades. We need to get rid of it. It smells, its bad for your teeth etc. Creating a never ending stream of total crap programming languages that no one wants to use. That never actually do what there creators propose that they do. And that never replace what the say they want to replace.

Even some crusty C++ programmers still hate on C coders and how did that work out for them :)