[unicornporn]

Wire? I used it for a year with friends and family. I have never in my life experienced a buggier app on Android. My friends and family said the same about it.

They seem to focus on bringing new features (like an alien voice FX feature) when they should try to fix the basics first.

The worst thing that happened to me was that UI told me I was in a chat with Alice, but I soon realized I was actually chatting with Bob. So much for E2E...

Now we use https://riot.im. I'm kind of surprised a federated solution offers a decent UX and is less buggy.

[throwaway399]

There is no way riot is less buggy. Try macos to macos Sierra to Yosemite voice call. It segfaults right away.

Wire is buggy but generally works. The main problem with it is that metadata is collected by default.

[unicornporn]

Never experienced anything like that on Riot. I mostly call from Android to other Android and iOS phones though.

I'd say we had a 40% chance of actually connecting a call with Wire. Suddenly there was an update to the app and calling didn't work _at all_ until the next update came (this happened more than once).

A close relative finally gave up and yelled something along the lines of "who the f* uses this POS app", and I couldn't really argue. :)

[NoGravitas]

e2e on Riot/Matrix is in beta. I've had some experiences with someone else in a group chat only being able to read messages on one of their devices, and this is apparently not uncommon.

I'm a firm believer that Matrix is the future. But right now I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that isn't an early adopter.

[Arathorn]

We're not aware of any crashes at all on Riot/Desktop (especially as it's an electron app, so crashes will be due to chromium bugs). Please can you make sure it's filed on https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues? thanks!

[throwaway399]

It was on MacOS desktop. I'll submit an issue when I get a chance to reproduce.

[throwaway399]

Ok I updated the app and now it is not crashing! Thanks for a great product.