[bionsuba]

You took Razengan's supposition and made it a certainty.

Maybe making it easier for new users is what they were aiming for but it's equally likely with the evidence we have (read: zero) that they fucked up because they don't know what they're doing.

[Razengan]

> but it's equally likely with the evidence we have (read: zero) that they fucked up because they don't know what they're doing.

Is there evidence to support the f.lux team's claims at being objectively better in "helping people sleep" other than their word for it? Honest question. Edit: I see there's [0] but it's probably best to try out both f.lux and Night Shift on alternate days and decide for yourself what works better for you.

What stopped Apple from copying f.lux's exact behavior, if they wanted to?

We would have to assume that Apple did 0% testing, or received 0% feedback during the time Night Shift has been out on iOS, before bringing it to the Mac. After all they do have experience with researching health and human behavior from their time on the Apple Watch. They could even compare heart rate, movement and sleep data from Apple Watch users and see how it's affected by Night Shift.

[0] https://justgetflux.com/research.html

[coldtea]

>but it's equally likely with the evidence we have (read: zero) that they fucked up because they don't know what they're doing.

We also have the evidence that they're a huge company, with huge resources, and lots of top talent, that can consult scientists, medical professionals etc for such a feature.

[59nadir]

We have no evidence to suggest that they put huge resources and lots of top talent on this feature and no evidence to suggest that they used any research to back it up.

Just because Apple is a big company doesn't mean that all they do are big company things.

[eridius]

> but it's equally likely with the evidence we have (read: zero) that they fucked up because they don't know what they're doing

That's a pretty bold claim, and it seems far less likely than it being an intentional decision for whatever reason (and making things easier for new users certainly is a plausible reason).

[bionsuba]

Why? Apple has botched software before (mobileme, continually shipping old OpenGL, WiFi issues, etc).

[eridius]

Because Apple has a lot of experience with Night Shift on iOS, and it beggars belief that they'd ship Night Shift on macOS without at least looking at how it compares to f.lux. It's simply not reasonable to claim that behaving differently than f.lux is due to incompetence.