[zubale]

Actually immigration was desperately needed by them to rebuild the country devastated by the ww2, that's was the only reason, we all know.

But children born there from those people who immigrated to reconstruct their country weren't considered German until jus soli citizenship be adopted (with caveats) only in 2000.

It is very normal to see in Berlin for example, German born people who aren't considered Germans, neither have citizenship, only because they are children of foreigners.

[otheotheothe]

The country has been mostly rebuild by germans itself with a lot of financial aid of course. The 60s immigration wave was caused by the west german Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle), due to the eastern german wall it was not possible for east germans and other eastern europeans to migrate to western germany. Thus they invited turkish citizens as a lot of manufacturing jobs in the automobile industry and co. needed workers.

Stop making up alternative facts.

[mafribe]

   a lot of financial aid

Which financial aid have you got in mind? East Germany was basically cleared by the Soviet Union. The Marshall Plan went mostly to the UK and France, only a small part (11%) went to West Germany.

[otheotheothe]

Yes, still thats a lot of money we got for destructing the world...quiet nice if u ask me.

That money is worth a lot more nowadays.

[mafribe]

   lot of money we got for

That's politically rather naive POV, the money was essentially a defence against the Soviet Union.

   worth a lot more nowadays.

About 12 billion, so not much.

[zubale]

Thanks for the explanation. Can you also explain why the children of those turkish citizens as the example that you pick, aren't considered German citizens and neither were able to get the German citizenship even after being born and growing up as adults in Germany?

[Tomte]

Because they didn't want to give up Turkish citizenship, probably.

Germany severely limits double citizenship.

Apart from that I cannot see a real obstacle if they have lived here for years.

[otheotheothe]

Yes, there are 2 old concepts which are used by most countries.

1) Jus sanguinis (latin for blood ties or right of blood), this means u get citizenship if one of your parents is a citizen of country X. 2) Jus soli (latin for right of the soil), which means u get citizenship by the territory you are born on.

Both countries the USA and Germany nowadays have a mix of those, Germany had 1. back in the day and then introduced 2. over time, also special foreigner laws like getting a permant residency permit quiet eaily after you have been there for 8 years.

SEA especially Thailand has still only 1. so it's quiet impossible to get permant residencies till today - but fear not, you can bribe urself in paying money and its called the thai elite card -.-

[BjoernKW]

I suppose you could say it goes both ways. On one hand they traditionally weren't easily accepted as a natural part of German society. On the other hand (perhaps also as a reaction towards that kind of rejection), many people with a Turkish background didn't and to some extent still don't want to become part of German society.

[phillc73]

It's not just Germany. My Austrian born son didn't automatically qualify for Austrian citizenship at birth. He could only initially obtain the nationality of parents (fortunately he has three to choose from).