[naasking]

> Materialists, who typically dispense with the Cartesian immaterial mind but stick with a broadly Cartesian concept of matter, either live in the vain hope that they can eventually locate "redness" somewhere in matter, or come to the absurd eliminativist conclusion that "redness" simply doesn't exist or that it is an illusion.

Funny how you keep calling materialism "absurd" and "incoherent", yet provide no coherent argument of your own to support this position. If anyone unfamiliar with this subject is reading this thread, rest assured that the anti-materialist sentiments espoused here are a minority view. A recent survey of academic philosophers found that the majority support a materialist philosophy of mind, so frankly, these charges of incoherency and absurdity don't pass a lay person's basic sniff test.

As for the existence of "redness" specifically, I can easily point out how the various thought experiments that allegedly support the existence of redness are fallacious. So instead of making further bold claims, would you care to present such an argument for scrutiny?

> Of course, if it is an illusion, then it still exists as an illusion, hence the incoherence of eliminativist materialism.

A car is also an illusion under materialism. But clearly I drove something to work this morning. So does this apparent incongruity entail some incoherency in materialism? Or is the problem really that you're attacking a straw man?