[bambax]

> It's really scary how easily it is to pass Orwellian by invoking "Think of the Children" or "To prevent terrorists".

The goal is not to fight so-called sex-crimes or terrorism. The goal is to

1. coerce people into behaving in an ideal way where sexuality is constrained and nothing happens

2. discriminate against minorities

using big words and supposed "victims" as tools and props.

[golergka]

Just to clarify: do you think that this is being put through intentionally by people who're organized together with hidden evil plan?

[coldtea]

You seem to imply that for you anything of the sort is X-files worthy material.

To "coerce people into behaving in an ideal way where sexuality is constrained and nothing happens" you just need some groups hell-bent on the protestant WASP ideals that "made america great". Then you can also have some opportunists that play those cards because they make a living out of it (e.g. appealing to a conservative audience), and so on.

So it is indeed "put through intentionally by people who're organized together".

Do they have "hidden evil plans" related to their bigger plan?

All the time.

Not all of them together, but groups here and there, conspire all the time (in the sense that doing something shady and unknown to the public to further their cause).

Like for example people were openly racist in the South in the sixties, but teams of "community leaders" and such could also conspire to bring forward some hidden evil plan related to the cause (e.g. lynch someone or burn some crosses and beat up some militant blacks or pro-black people to put them "in their place"). They didn't do those things openly. But they did it for the same cause they were openly in favor of.

A similar "orchestrated evil plan" e.g. would be a "character assassination" of some person on the other ideological side. You get some dirt on them, have various friends in the media push it, etc.

[CamTin]

There doesn't necessarily need to be a literal conspiracy in order for the intended effects of laws to be completely bogus. For example, I think we can all agree that poll taxes were intended to keep southern black Americans from voting, even though I doubt there was ever a "Jim Crow Caucus" of lawmakers from Southern states to decide on the best policy objectives to further their racist agenda.

[stagbeetle]

Many people with similar ideas all working independently to push their agendas can mimic the collective effect of a conscious and planned conspiracy.

People don't have evil plans, only selfish ones.

[bambax]

Yes and no -- or rather, no, but yes. People didn't congregate and got organized to achieve this, so, no. But, deep down they know what they're doing (or at the very least they're not bothered by the consequences), and so, yes.