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by gigatexal 3381 days ago
America is hell-bent on not being like Europe even given the good there is to learn from.
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-Oh, there's no such thing as a perfect society, IMHO - but when it comes to crime and punishment, I do think the US could benefit from taking a leaf or two from our books.

However, there are a couple of key differences (still IMHO!) which makes it difficult to compare the two.

Most notably, perhaps - we do not elect judges. Nor do we elect police chiefs. The latter are positions you apply for as you would any other; the former are appointed by a non-partisan committee.

Hence, there's no benefit for representatives of the judicial and executive to be seen as tough on crime; there's no gain to be had.

As for the legislative, there's a fairly broad consensus, the odd populist aside, that sentencing (mostly) is well matched to the needs of society - so there's no strong drive to enforce harsher punishment. (And believe me, we did discuss this ad nauseum and then some after the 2011 labour party youth camp terror attack!(0))

Surely, there's a component of punishment - after all, you want to send a message to others contemplating the same crime that you need to factor jail time into your calculations - but the main focus is to ensure you don't end up behind bars again, as that would be a net loss both to you, the future victims and society at large.

(0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

I didn't mean to insinuate that Europe was perfect just that there are things we could learn that would help us one of which is the rehab vs throw-away-the-key approach to prisoners.
Oops, my bad - my intent was simply to acknowledge that we old-worlders do have a thing or two to learn from our former colonies, too.
Agreed. I didn't take your comments as anything other than constructive. Alas, though, this administration has no diplomacy.
In the US electing police chiefs is rare (but can happen under the Commission style of city government).

Prosecutors, however, are often elected, and you can imagine the incentive problems.