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by _delirium
3382 days ago
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I find it more integrated in Debian than in most other distributions (even including the BSDs, once you get outside their base systems and into the wild west of ports). It's not just that they ship other software in the package manager, but that it's heavily customized to fit into the "Debian way" of doing things. This is partly emphasized by the lack of a distinction between "base" and "ports"; every package, from libc to your mailserver, is a Debian package, and is supposed to follow policy and work how users expect a Debian package to work. It does vary package to package, but on average there's a fairly substantial amount of work that goes into "Debianizing" a package so it's integrated into the OS coherently, vs. the more lightweight build-scripts that you find with systems like Slackware or FreeBSD ports, that typically ship something closer to upstream. I would compare it more to maybe halfway towards how FreeBSD adapts third-party software into its base system. FreeBSD base is full of third-party patched stuff, too, like ZFS, LLVM, OpenSSH, and sendmail, which is periodically synced with upstream. But they put enough effort into customizing it and making it work together coherently, that I think it's fair to call the base FreeBSD install an "operating system". I do think Debian as an OS may get less true with systemd, though. SystemD is really going all-in on the idea that there is a specifically Linux way of integrating an operating system, which is closely tied to the kernel, and Debian increasingly finds it difficult to avoid getting pulled in 100% to that path, since the amount of divergence you need to avoid doing things the "systemd way" is growing rapidly. In which case the end game is that there's a Linux/SystemD core OS, of which Debian is just one distribution. While until now Debian has aimed at being a "universal operating system" not tied to any specific kernel. |
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I don't agree with your feelings towards Debian simply because I've used plenty of platforms that have the same cohesive feel. But at the end of the day all you're talking about now is an emotional impression based on anecdote, which may feel relevant to yourself but ultimately has little impact to the discussion of distributions Vs distinct operating systems.