[e40]

No, I don't vote, and my predictions don't imply endorsement. All politicians suck, even those who aren't (or weren't) politicians.

You're good at lying to yourself, too. Bush and Gore weren't the same. Clinton and Trump weren't the same, either. Had Gore won, we'd literally live in a different world. The Middle East might not be as stable as the US, but it would be vastly more stable than it is now.

And, looking back in 4 years, I'm pretty sure the world will be very different than it would be had Clinton gotten elected.

Between you types (the apathetic) and the Trump voters, we are so fucked.

[sverige]

I used to be the opposite of apathetic. I was deeply involved in party politics at the local and state level. I met and spoke with governors and senators, representatives and mayors, presidential candidates and district attorneys, activists and money people from both parties. I raised money, I knocked on doors to get out the vote, I waved signs at busy intersections, I sat through countless committee meetings. I even ran for a state office once. (Lost, thankfully.)

All of that experience taught me that there is, in fact, no difference between Bush and Gore. There is a difference between Clinton and Trump, but there is no difference between Clinton and Jeb Bush.

By the way, Trump is different because he comes from outside of that system that has been built up since the late 60s. He doesn't fit any of the existing paradigms the Baby Boomer generation created, which is why establishment Republicans were busy attacking him during the election and obstructing his agenda right now.

Now, tell me again I'm lying to myself. Tell me how many politicians you have personally eaten with, or even spoken to in private, in the last 30 years. Tell me why your experience is superior to mine when it comes to making such a judgment.

[e40]

no difference between Bush and Gore

I'll tell you how you are lying to yourself: Gore would never have invaded an entire country because of 9/11. He would have sent in SEAL team 6 to kill Bin Laden.

[sverige]

Rather than answering a direct question, you have replied with a hypothetical action by a hypothetical president who you don't know personally. This is the sort of behavior that drove me away from politics as a useless exercise. Please, get more involved. I think it would suit you.