[cmrdporcupine]

If there is a move of any importance into Canada (doubtful to me as a Canadian) it will not be to Vancouver with its outrageous real estate prices, and very few tech companies, but to the Greater Toronto/Hamilton area, which is where 90% of these types of businesses are. Amazon, Google, and IBM are all already here or around here [Google is in Kitchener/Waterloo]. Apple is here for sales/marketing only (at least when my worked there 6-7 years ago).

Facebook and EA have presence in Vancouver, and Amazon has some there, too. But I get the impression that Facebook and Amazon are merely interested in using Vancouver as a 'feeder' office for getting candidates long run into their Seattle offices.

In any case, the wages are lower here which means talent still continues to emigrate. Also -- the weather. I work for Google Waterloo and I suspect there are far more Canadians working for Google in Mountain View than there are here in our largest Canadian office.

[foota]

I wouldn't underestimate the advantage that being on the West Coast provides.

[throwaway743824]

Because?

I don't see Vancouver "happening" (at least not more than it already is). Being similar to places like Seattle or SF isn't a good thing if you want to compete with them, because you'll always end up behind them in a comparison.

[foota]

Personally, I grew up on the west coast and would much rather go to another west coast city.

[throwaway743824]

Toronto/Montreal is still much closer to large US populations in the US north east than Vancouver is to the US south west.

[dylz]

Timezones compared to Toronto for one

[vecinu]

I generally agree with most of what you said and yeah, the weather and salaries are generally what attracts people to the bay area. You also get the bonus of being around the brightest folks from around the world and that provides great mentorship opportunities.

As the other child comment on your post said, I think it would be wise to consider how important Vancouver's more mild weather and being in the same timezone as SV would be beneficial for those looking to move out of the US.

[_jal]

> You also get the bonus of being around the brightest folks from around the world and that provides great mentorship opportunities

This is actually the biggest advantage for me. I moved to the Bay Area after school because I am a technical person, but stayed because of the culture (capital and lowercase) and the large numbers of very smart people. Have lived in NYC and Bremen, but the Bay is home. While the money and weather are great, it really is ready availability of top-tier folks. (In a coffee shop on Mission St., I literally tripped over a person I later came to realize is probably the single most accomplished programmer in a particular domain, not to mention a great person to talk art with.)

[iwintermute]

It's a little bit "сonspiratorially" from my side, but I feel like high real estate prices is a feature, not a bug - without it potential founders can have more resources to bootstrap and less dependency on VC - but when your personal budget is being eaten just by rent/cost of life - you have no other choice but to raise money