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by cuspycode 3394 days ago
I wonder where the sweet spot is between a centralized service like Slack, and extremely decentralized scenarios where people just try to cope with a multitude of one-to-one channels?

Federation is a given for this hypothetical sweet spot of course, but how do you find the spot? Are there any HN readers who can point me to research in this area?

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djb half-proposed IM2000 as a replacement for SMTP and POP and IMAP.

Briefly: you send a message from your user agent (mail program) to your own mail server. Your mail server sends a notification to all the destination mail servers, a notification basically consisting of the headers.

The destination mail server lets the recipient know that the notification has arrived, possibly doing filtering and sorting and prioritization and stuff.

The recipient fetches the mail body from the originating mail server, and then does whatever.

The big change here is that the notifications are store-and-forward but the mail itself is not. The originating mail server needs to be up and functional in order to get a message body delivered.

Spammers are severely impeded: the message body can't be sent unless they have a reliable, traceable machine up when people get around to reading mail. Botnets won't work. Yet anybody who can run a reliable server can run their own mail server.

Mailing lists only send the full body to people who request it. Unsubscribe is actually worthwhile for any legitimate company to implement. Mailing list servers can easily implement archives by just keeping mail available.

And finally, the holy grail of Outlook users is actually implementable: you can cancel an email after you sent it and have that actually work, as long as people haven't pulled the body down yet.

Federation works just fine - the problem is getting "non-techies" to care enough to join in, discoverability, and ease of joining. So they almost all suffer from lack of a social network and are used by only a niche community.

People will use what most of their friends use. If their friends and people they want to follow all use Twitter, why would they use GNUSocial? Answer is they won't.