[nickpsecurity]

"They can't lie to a federal judge to try to compel Apple to help them do something they can already do. "

You nust have missed the whole Snowden leaks where they were all lying to Congress, courts, and so on. Far as the FBI, here's what they say: "That pertains to highly classified matters of national security. Im afraid I can't discuss that here." (Keep repeating.)

They've also been lying about their counterterrorism cases. That one expose showed they're paying undercovers $100,000 or so to convince harmless people to try something. Even financing, equiping, and training them. They sell it in court as them stopping what was already going on. Despite one informant recording them, nobody leading the FBI is fired or doing time. Deception is business as usual.

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This manages to be both condescending and to avoid engaging what I'm saying in any substantive way. Good place to stop.

[nickpsecurity]

You said they dont lie about their capabilities in courts Snowden leaks showed they partnered with NSA on backdooring US companies crypto while lying in court about how they could do nothing about crypto. Esp in the Apple case. It is a good time to modify your ckaims to fit that data or quit.

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specific case -> 'Snowden leaks' -> NSA ->? is not really an argument, it's rhetoric. I don't have to modify my claims in the face of the apparent impossibility to pin yours down to anything specific.

[nickpsecurity]

You still on this? The Snowden revealed the FBI lied about tons of things they could do. So did the NSA. Piles of them. If you need specifics, start with "Core Secrets" by The Intercept as it includes the slides saying FBI "compelled" companies to "SIGINT-enable" their products/networks. Which means forced backdoors through secret means.

So, in courts, FBI said that targets using encryption by U.S. companies was impossible to do anything about. They needed expanded powers under things such as All Writs Act to get at the information in such devices. In secret, they were backdooring U.S. companies' products with NSA. They and the DEA were getting actionable information from those programs that they had to hide from courts under a process called parallel construction. They had to create a second trail of evidence that made it look like they found the person another way. Then, get the conviction through that second trail of evidence. The FBI was also willing to dismiss cases any time its claims were tested in court presumably because the claims were lies and methods unconstitutional.

So, the Snowden leaks, the San Bernardino case, and activity around things such as Stingrays shows the FBI will lie to courts to achieve political or legal ends. They'll even sacrifice their own court cases to protect their illegal methods. So, your claim that they won't lie in court or that court has some power over their corrupt activities is false. They consistently mislead everyone they can about both encryption and backdoors. They even exit courts when caught without any criminal penalties whatsoever. James Comey is in fact still free and directing the FBI despite caught in tons of lies from Congress to courts to media.

FBI will lie about these topics in court. They've done it consistently for over a decade now and nobody there has been imprisoned for it. QED.