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by thisisandyok 3393 days ago
That's awesome. It does make me wonder though, do the people working in the call centers realize that they're scamming people or do they think it's a legitimate business?
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I would guess (and I'm trying not to make any value judgement on this) that they view it as a job, and the sales commissions help pay for their lives and their family, and they don't think about it much more deeply than that.

I recently read some comments from a Timeshare salesman in the US, whose attitude was similar. Asked "don't you feel bad that your job is basically to operate a large-scale real estate scam", he replied, (I paraphrase) "hey, at the end of the presentation, you have the contract right there in front of you, and if you choose to sign it, it's on you. My job is just to convince you to sign, and if I do, I get a good commission."

> My job is just to convince you to sign

The more I deal with sales&marketing people the more I think there are two different mindsets people have. One says that if you do the "convincing" part by saying anything but honest truth, you're scamming people. The other seems not to attach any moral significance to the situation.

And that doesn't even get into the question of "is omission lying?" I'm going to guess the latter group doesn't think it is.
This is why I can't take any of the "personal responsibility" people seriously. This salesman is not taking any responsibility for their actions.
right, and yet he ascribes almost magical powers to the personal responsibility of his marks.
There is no way in hell they cannot know what they are doing. They know they're not from Microsoft. And given this scam has been in the news for a while now, they don't get to plead ignorance.
I agree that they know its a scam, I disagree that they know who their employer is.

I have seen interviews with some of the rank and file scammers. Apparently, they do it because the pay is good for someone with their skillset and ability to put ethics aside.

The people who are on the phone don't know the details of the corporate structure. The boss could easily lie and claim to be a Microsoft contractor and it might be hard for someone on the phones to verify and asking to many questions might get them fired. This might make it easier for some to set aside those ethics, they know they are not on the level, but can feel slightly better because they think their behavior is authorized by a large company that already services these customers.

I never said they know exactly who their employer is. I said they know damn well they're not working for Microsoft.