[nashashmi]

Been there, done that.

No longer there! (Thank god!)

I got ill not too long ago. And the lost the one part of me that I had the most pride in, my intelligence. This "thing" got me carried away. I looked down on people who did not have it. I assumed that this was part of everyone. It gave me zeal and ambition. It gave me hope and burdened with me dreams.

And then I got ill with 106 deg. I lost my ability to recall memory. Before it my memory was on infinite replay. And now I could not remember my worst years of high school and best years of college.

Gone was my pride, my hope, my expectations. And I realized I deserved it.

What I realized after is that life is like a game of standing in front of projectiles. The longer you play, the more likely you are to get hit. The people who live on to 70, and never got really sick were very very very lucky. Another proof that God exists.

We are all bound to get hit. Some of us harder than others. And if you don't it is a miracle. A proof that God is there intending to be this way.

It may not be cancer or anything particular, but we are all likely to fall ill.

[gnaritas]

> Another proof that God exists.

No.

> A proof that God is there intending to be this way.

And no. Look believe whatever you like, that's your right, but random chance is in no way proof of God, not remotely. It's not a miracle some people live longer than others, it's just a normal distribution of lifespans, there's nothing miraculous or magical about it, it's simple math and large numbers. There are always going to be some people on the extremes who either die very young or very old. It's not even evidence of God, let alone proof.

[nashashmi]

I figured someone would go on to say this.

You can use stat science to flatten miracles as standard part of statistical reality. But you won't be able to replicate the same statistics using what we know theoretically. The theoretical statistics just don't match what is offered by reality. You can chalk it up as insufficient knowledge or you can claim it as a miracle.

The reality is that the human body is fragile. Yet it seems to stand up to the test of time even to things that were never faced during evolutionary development. That's a miracle. Or you can claim the new scenarios are just too insignificant to matter.

But maybe slice and dice the data enough and you will find inconsistencies. You can call it miracle or outside force, or you can spend your life trying to explain some reason behind it. And never really know.

Look believe whatever you like, but your Lord has given you a right to hide all miracles with an explanation. And chalk up the rest as stuff you are still trying to figure out. I cannot convince you miracles or outliers happen. And whatever is evidence of God can always be skewed as some random portion of science. That is up to you. But ask enough questions and you will eventually get exhausted with how shallow the explanations are or how unable you are to explain.

God says he has put his proofs in all things for those who see. And for those who deny, they are blinded from seeing such things. (as a mercy?) And understanding is limited to the point they can only understand what they can mentally tolerate.

[gnaritas]

> The reality is that the human body is fragile. Yet it seems to stand up to the test of time even to things that were never faced during evolutionary development.

No more so than any other animal, there's quite simply nothing miraculous about it, or humans, it's just the normal functioning of biology.

> But ask enough questions and you will eventually get exhausted with how shallow the explanations are or how unable you are to explain.

There is nothing more shallow and empty an explanation than "God did it", it's the height of anti-intellectualism and laziness. It's easy to see miracles everywhere when you're too lazy to seek a real answer because real answers require effort and understanding. God did it isn't an answer at all, it doesn't explain anything, it's nothing more than admitting you don't know the answer and aren't willing to look for it.

[nashashmi]

> There is nothing more shallow and empty an explanation than "God did it",

I agree. But the kinds of questions atheists ask is quite arrogant and self-righteous and can never be uptaken by theists as they are implicitly in denial and always in contention of how to prove the existence of no miracles. What propels a theist to ask challenging questions is to actively find the miracles of God in the smallest of things, to look deeper than ever before, to find more, to learn more, with wonder and astonishment. I can challenge you that had theists never existed, science would never have existed, because refuting a theist is science's primary and only motive.

> it's just the normal functioning of biology

No wonder and no astonishment in biology? An utter simplification and discount of what it took to get here? No observation of balance and order? What will it take for you to see a miracle: an abnormality, a repetitively unpredictable action (like sailing stones), chaos?

I bet you that had great structures the likes of what you see today were placed on earth before humanity, many would still want to make excuses of how it got there, as opposed to giving credit to who put it there. People see only what they want to see.