[Tichy]

Believe me, it is possible to write very bad code with Java, and you can see the (huge) differences between Java code written by good and bad programmers.

I don't understand "people will only code what you let them code", how is that?

[vo0do0]

well I think I was very agressive (just because I'm not that a big Java fan), but I was intended to say that the java language is beautiful by itself, all that OO stuff and the fact that you don't have many ways to do the same thing (like you do when using those intepreted and crazy languages like perl) makes any code looks better.

But concerning that "only will code what you let them" I'm saying that Java lets you define the interfaces (I'm talking about MVC now) and your coder MUST implement that no matter what.

I'm sure that the distance between a bad code and a good code in java is nothing compared with a bad php code and a good php code not to say perl where you can write the same thing in many ways.