[DanielBMarkham]

Alan Kay? Well gee, you should have said something. Here I was using working definitions and Alan Kay already had the answer.

Either you understand how silly you sound or you do not. I suspect the latter. Perhaps you and Alan could continue the discussion.

[stonemetal]

What can I say a silly response to a silly post. Information hiding, encapsulation,polymorphism, have been Software Engineering principles before OOP was invented Using X == good software engineering then X is the true definition of OOP no matter how you program it, and all that bad OOP code is just wolves in OOP clothing is humorous. Good clean structured code may look similar to OOP code. If the author was not Oriented on Objects then it isn't OOP code. OO is more about how you get there than where you end up.