[jacquesm]

Yes, he wrote that, I got it. The point is, that the Bay area is just about one of the best places to be an out-of-work programmer on the planet.

Even during a recession it would probably still be easier for a qualified coder to find some work there than in most other places, the fact that he found a gig within a relatively short time seems to prove that.

[kd5bjo]

Though it wasn't part of his explicit advice, your location is not constant, especially if you've quit your job. Thus, the limiting factor isn't where you are, it's where you could be.

[jacquesm]

That depends. If you have a family, kids in school, a mortgage, strong family ties, friends and so on that really counts for a lot to a large number of people, and that means that where they are is where they'll stay.

When you're young, unattached and without too many responsibilities this is a lot easier (and possibly even hard to imagine that one day it may not be that easy).

[kd5bjo]

Yes, all of those things affect your ability to move and where you can move to. Whenever you make a major change to your life, some parts will get better and others worse. It's important to recognize what's actually important to you, and act to make the things you actually care about as good as possible.

Given the question, I assume that the thing he most cares about is getting a more enjoyable job,

[dannyr]

jacquesm,

I was unemployed a total of 6 months in the Bay Area last year.

If I chose to stick with .Net, I could. I got a job offer from a company I used to work for in San Diego and also a company in DC.

[jacquesm]

Yes, so it worked for you. Great. It worked for me too, 23 years ago, one idle day in July. But that does not mean it will work for everyone.

Now realize that you are telling someone to quit their job without a backup plan and without a lot of insight in to their personal situation.

I think that is somewhat irresponsible, just because it worked for you is not exactly a guarantee, and I highly doubt you'll be able to catch him if he follows your advice and it turns out that he can't find a replacement, for whatever reason.

Then there are the details such as unemployment not kicking in if you voluntarily leave your job and a whole pile of other, circumstantial factors.

[dannyr]

He asked for advice and I wrote what worked for me. Seriously dude, why all the hate? It's up to him to choose based on the suggestions from different people.

Yes, I factored in everything. I didn't get unemployment because I quit. I also didn't know anybody in the Bay Area. I knew those before I made a decision.

I hated my job. I became a very bitter person. I didn't like what I became. I had to act big to change things. I can tell you that despite the financial difficulties, I was very happy when I didn't have a job. I was developing a number of side projects.

I never lost hope that I'll get what I want. I knew from previous experiences that if I work hard, good things will come.

I'm not saying that he should just quit his job. If he does, he should make a commitment to do things that would make him desirable for the type of company he wants to work in.

There are no guarantees with anything. He can stay at his current company but it could also go under or he could get laid off. Wouldn't it be nice to take a career path that is guaranteed to make you financially stable for the rest of your life?

[jacquesm]

No hate, I don't even get why you interpret it that way.

Just critical about telling someone to 'Quit.'.

It seems irresponsible to me, apparently we disagree on that but that is my take on it. Of course he's under no obligation to follow through on any of the stuff written here.

I quit just like you did, and it worked out amazingly well. But I'd still hesitate to tell someone else to just 'quit' without knowing a lot more about their situation than what he put in that little blurb at the top.

> Wouldn't it be nice to take a career path that is guaranteed to make you financially stable for the rest of your life?

Yes, but as you said, there are no guarantees, so that one is also not guaranteed.

> You're saying what I did is somewhat irresponsible?

No, I'm saying that to tell other people to follow you because it worked for you is irresponsible, that's a huge difference. Think of it as anecdotal evidence based on a sample of '1'. (and if we add our samples, that makes it 2, and probably we can find a few more).

If you had said 'work towards quitting' or something to that effect it would be different. But an unqualified 'quit' seems to me to be too simple a solution.

> What is irresponsible is not living the life you want.

On that we agree. Which is the reason why I quit too.

But the rest of the situation has to be taken in to account as well.

I've been really lucky to get where I am today, I'm a high-school drop-out without any papers that would get me employment, so the job that I had (systems programmer at a bank at a disgustingly high salary) was really a one in a million opportunity for someone with my education level. I worked really hard to get it.

And then one day I decided to give it up and start my own business, after talking to my boss of the day (A guy called Eddy, I owe him a lot).

He showed me a very concrete way of making a go of it independently, and I took the chance and ran with it.

At the time I was living in an industrial area for pennies, had no girlfriend, no mortgage, basically 0 obligations. Without knowing a lot more about the OP I'd really hesitate to tell him to follow in my tracks because 'it worked for me'.

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