[pjc50]

> "environmental movement" could be an artifact of computing. The mindset that there is a knowable and optimum equilibrium for complex systems is something I find increasingly puzzling

There's a split in environmentalism between the "deep green" who want nature to be left alone and tend to have a spiritualist approach, versus the "bright green" technocratic management of ecosystems. But the deep greens definitely came first, starting with opposition to nuclear testing, the dumping of nuclear waste at sea, whaling, pollution of rivers and acid rain, and the effects of pesticides (Silent Spring was published in 1962)

[ArkyBeagle]

I wonder then how we classify a John Muir? Seems "deep green" to me. I think his oeuvre came from the Romantics.

I am not doing Curtis' thesis justice; you'd have to see the ( freely available, SFAIK ) film. He doesn't just paint environmentalism with this brush. I found the idea bracing; I saw myself in it.

[s_kilk]

> you'd have to see the ( freely available, SFAIK ) film.

For the curious: "All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace"