[karussell]

FYI:

There were 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...

And there were 32,719 fatal car crashes http://www.statisticbrain.com/car-crash-fatality-statistics-... (ok, not serious source but I guess the real numbers are not too far away)

[mikeash]

Traffic fatalities have ticked up quite a bit in the past couple of years, with about 40,000 deaths in 2016, but the rough magnitude is correct.

But I'm specifically talking about hate crimes. The vast majority of those firearm deaths were suicides, and the vast majority of the homicides weren't hate crimes. According to the FBI, there were 18 murders that qualified as hate crimes in 2015 (the most recent year available): https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/incidentsand...

[Eridrus]

When I first moved to the US (Capitol Hill, Seattle), reading the local news about someone being shot and killed in street robberies gone wrong a few blocks from my apartment were a bit of a shock having moved from Australia.

[karussell]

If you ask me but 11K deaths via gun (homicide!) are way too much

[mikeash]

I totally agree, but that doesn't really affect my point.

[karussell]

Don't get me wrong: I know what you wanted to say but your counter argument was wrong

[mikeash]

I don't understand, what was wrong exactly?

[LevGoldstein]

...the majority of that 33,636 number being suicides:

>21,175 suicides

[ivraatiems]

Correct, but how many people died in the average fatal car crash?

Also, how many of those gun deaths were accidents, suicides, etc.?

[karussell]

Read the wikipedia entry ;)