[WhitneyLand]

Thanks Vince. A key point is that Scaphold uses Relay and it's schema on the backend, which implies the really verbose queries, and the viewer/node/edge stuff.

Yes you can use the apollo client (the code above does) but as you can see that doesn't help the query size.

For scaphold.io I think you guys have done great on a lot of things, but the docs are really failing to explain the required relay schema and concepts prominently.

For relay, I'm trying to reserve judgement. First impression is it seems like an inelegant and cumbersome design. I did read their design goals, it just seems there were better ways to achieve them. And why introduce graph theory terminology for concepts that not really new in the database world?

Anyway people should checkout scaphold.io, I think it has the best UX going for gql saas.

[traek]

> And why introduce graph theory terminology for concepts that not really new in the database world?

Because it's developed by Facebook, and Facebook really does view all of their data as a graph.

[WhitneyLand]

I see, the classic example of tunnel vision where if you're carpenter everything looks like a nail? I hadn't thought of that reason, maybe it explains part of the rational.

But even though critique is important FB has a lot to be proud of with their leadership in open source. I know some people have qualms with the license but in general I think they've inspired other companies go more in this direction.