[samth]

For the benefit of anyone reading this:

1. The people who lie constantly about GamerGate are the people supporting it, not the media.

2. PewDiePie actually said racist things and had people hold up anti-semitic signs. This was accurately reported in the media.

There are indeed a lot of young men whose primary political belief that they should be allowed to say whatever they want on the internet without consequences, and are upset with the media when this turns out not to be true. But that isn't the media's fault.

[beaconstudios]

a correction for anyone reading this:

1. Lies were put out on both sides of the GamerGate controversy. It all turned into a horrible mess on both sides.

2. PewDiePie paid for people on fiverrr to hold up an offensive sign, just to see if they'd do it. If you'd seen the video you'd know that he was incredibly surprised that they went through with it. Reporting that he's a neo-Nazi off the back of this is exactly the kind of exaggeration and lying that many now find to be commonplace in the media.

[stagbeetle]

For the added benefit of context (so it's not misrepresented, even on this site):

2. PewDiePie is a comedian. His racist jokes are outliers, not the norm. The anti-semtic debacle was about pushing the boundaries for his "how far can I get with just $5 on Fiverr" skit -- its prime motive was not to enlighten his impressionable audience about his views on jews.

> There are indeed a lot of young men whose primary political belief that they should be allowed to say whatever they want on the internet without consequences, and are upset with the media when this turns out not to be true. But that isn't the media's fault.

This is true. It's a growing trend and I forsee it becoming the norm. If this incident shows anything, it's that legacy media v. young progressivism is a losing battle.

[beaconstudios]

I think it's a stretch to conclude that it's young progressives testing the boundaries of free speech.

[stagbeetle]

Advertently, sure.

But they reside in a space (the internet) that doesn't have the same controls over conduct as the physical society.

It wouldn't be a stretch to say that their current anti-PC attitudes will prosper after being given a space like this.

[beaconstudios]

the anti-PC attitudes are coming from the young right wing, and they are definitely prospering online. The conservative youth (often referred to as the alt-right and broad-brushed as being entirely comprised of fascists) already have a dominant voice online, and have been taking progressives to task for being too pro-censorship and pro-political-correctness. I think the election of Trump is largely a reflection of this cultural battle and the fact that the progressives are starting to lose.

[Shubley]

Absolutely people should be allowed to say what they want without consequences.

That's what freedom means. It means freedom from consequences. If there are heavy consequences, you don't have freedom. Otherwise you can say that North Koreans have freedom of speech too - they just have to deal with the "consequences".

This "freedom from speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" thing is so patently bizarre.

What the heck can "freedom" possibly mean besides freedom from consequences?