[adiabatty]

I suspect I'd use the touch bar in Notes where I frequently want to use title and header and normal formatting, but have trouble remembering the keyboard shortcuts for those three functions (I'm not in Notes much).

In other apps, I don't know how much I'd use it.

[fludlight]

That's the thing: the HN crowd is a small segment of their user base. For most people, Cmd-P might as well be C-x M-c M-butterfly. The touch bar doesn't replace the function keys but rather the mouse.

[eecc]

Hmm, there's a touch of contempt for the average user in what you say... something that causes this current trend towards over-simplification.

Users love clear, systematic, repeatable, stable. Anyone using a shortcut often enough, given enough time will learn to use it because anyone can appreciate the advantage.

People that hunt-and-peck, or click around like seniors in a retirement-home absolutely hate the hostile and cumbersome UI that is hiding all the usefulness behind gimmicks.

;)

[fludlight]

It's not like I said they were "click[ing] around like seniors in a retirement-home". ;)

IMHO, users don't care about simple, clear, systematic, or repeatable, either; only stable. But keeping said workflow stable doesn't matter when your boss' bonus depends on how much innovation he fostered.