[leereeves]

Dumb ideas like requiring candidates given H-1B visas to be payed well?

[aeleos]

no, that is a perfectly reasonable idea. However, an example of a dumb idea is trying to bring back the coal industry to give people back the jobs that they lost, when things like renewable energies are more cost efficient in the long run and better for the environment.

[leereeves]

I mention H1Bs because it's a direct parallel to the broader immigration issue, yet many people have different opinions on the two.

People sponsored for H1Bs by sweat shops are to educated American tech workers as "illegal immigrants" are to American manual laborers: competitors for the same jobs willing to work under worse conditions for much lower wages.

[gydfi]

That's your opinion of a dumb idea. Can you accept that other intelligent, informed, well intentioned people might disagree with you?

[yorwba]

I can, but that means I'm either not intelligent enough, lacking information or not well-intentioned, because why would there be disagreement otherwise? Only one of these can be fixed, and that is by exchanging information.

Or in other words: Yes, but you need good arguments to make me change my mind.

[gydfi]

Not at all. Most political disagreements come from perfectly reasonable fundamental disagreements about the way the world ought to be.

[namlem]

No, dumb ideas like building a wall thinking it will keep out immigrants.