[bobdole1234]

I always find it funny when people say they're tired of being called racists.

They'll bitch till they're blue in the face about how it's unfair that just because they want people like them to succeed they're called racists.

I wonder what they think racism is if not that?

[rdtsc]

> I always find it funny when people say they're tired of being called racists.

You mean the people from the Middle America? Well it helps to live there for a while. I did for a about 10 years. You know what most people there don't think when they first wake up? That's right, racist thoughts. They think about getting groceries, hopefully kids did their homework, when the bills are due, why Steven is being a jerk at work and so on. They don't yawn and stretch thinking "I hope all the people with certain skin pigment different than mine fail!".

> they want people like them to succeed they're called racists.

I have never heard anyone say "I want people like me to succeed" based on race. Maybe I wasn't hanging out with a bad crowd. But I've heard them say "I want to succeed" or "I want my children to be successful" is that racist? I am an immigrant, is it wrong to say "I want immigrants to succeed". Am I racist now? Oh oh.

> always find it funny when people say they're tired of being called racists.

I am wondering. How do you expect people to respond when they are called racists. Let's imagine you walk down the street. Someone turns a corner wearing that stupid Trump hat, you yell out "You racist!". What would be a realistic positive outcome from that?

[bobdole1234]

You honestly think that people who get called racist enough to have a recurring rant about it are talking about wanting immigrants to succeed?

Or that I wander the streets calling people racist?

[rdtsc]

I believe calling large groups of people "racists" is counter-productive and doesn't help or do anything positive. Chances are unless we picked KKK some Eugenics Institute of America (I made that name up, btw) that characterization will probably be wrong.

Besides what does the term "people like them" even mean"? Are we referring to immigrants vs citizens, nationality, religion, political party? People from different groups big and small will unsurprisingly want other people from the same group to succeed. Are you sure it is all about the skin color and them all thinking one is superior than other? I gave an example about immigrants. It could be programmers. Or some religious organization. Same with people from a country and so on. Are all those instances of racism?

Wouldn't you say that the accusation of racism is rather serious and racism is a serious topic and not just something to be used when we disagree with things? I think it is. And because of that it is important to be very precise and sure when using it. Otherwise we are just mocking it and reducing its value.

> Or that I wander the streets calling people racist?

But the equivalent is to wonder around the internet and throw that term around. And I am sorry, I didn't mean to single you out specifically, I wanted to talk more to wider audience (since it is a public forum as well) because I have seen this happen too many times. Some here, the media, Reddit, relatives, friends, at work and so on.

[bobdole1234]

Oh, I don't call large groups of people racist.

I call specific people racist, when they do racist things.

Entertainingly, they're always horrified and offended, even if 5 seconds before they've been telling a story about how Indian woman have loose vaginas since they're all whores.

Your response leads me to believe you've been called racist, but couldn't internalize what exactly it was that you'd done wrong.

[flukus]

I wonder what you think racism is because the people you're describing don't seem interested in discrimination based on race.