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I don't see why we can't semantically define menus and tasks. And have different interfaces that can just plug into these. So if you don't want titles - fine - use a different window manager or style. I can think of many better ways of doing desktop windowing/application behaviour.

I have two debian installs. One with old and the other with new debian/xfce/gnome. And although I probably prefer the older debian/xfce combo to alternatives - I can't say I'm particularly smitten.