[euyyn]

> At least that's what their lawyer claims.

Of course he would, that's his job. How does Android "directly hurt" Oracle?

[ktRolster]

I can tell you what the lawyers for Oracle claim. I'm not going to do the research to see if their claims are true, though, you'll have to do that.

1) Oracle claims that they had contracts for a lot of "Java in TV" (presumably J2ME) with manufacturers, who later switched to Android.

2) Oracle claims that they had contracts with auto companies for Java in cars, dashboards and such, and those later switched to Android.

3) Oracle claims that Amazon got a discount on Java in the Kindle due to pressure from Android.

4) Oracle claims that they lost and * and as customers. I don't know who those customers are, they were redacted in the appeal.

5) Oracle claims that J2ME (they don't say J2ME specifically) was in ~80% of phones before Android, and Android took that marketshare.

6) Oracle claims hypothetical damages from being prevented from entering the market, because copyright law allows you to claim hypothetical damages.

Those are the Oracle claims.

[euyyn]

I think it's Spivak's burden to back up his claim, not mine to falsify the claims of Oracle.