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by pikachuisntcool 3416 days ago
I hope Oracle wins. The sooner Java dies, the better.
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Are you that hateful of Java that you are blind to the implications of an Oracle win?

It won't be just Java 'dying.'

Let's assume Oracle wins on appeal... What's next? Is everyone suddenly writing .Net code? Or are we left to find languages with lapsed copyrights? Fortran IV and Snobol are the new hotness! Everyone in to the pool!
It depends on the details of the ruling (the court could decide to pass such a narrow judgement that it only affects Oracle). Here is an analysis of how the rulings (up until now) affect the software world: http://www.zerobugsandprogramfaster.net/essays/x-1.html
Languages without a corporate owner.
JavaScript is right out. There's such a mish-mash of API owners there that it will give decades of court cases from copyright trolls.

This is one of the most important tech cases in history. Oracle is on a fast-track to destroying the software industry with it.

Oh don't worry, Oracle are one step ahead with JavaScript. They launched this Twitter account last week: https://twitter.com/javascript .. and for a week they posted loads of Java stuff on it and haven't failed to point out in replies that they own JavaScript's trademark. The picture of their headquarters is also a nice touch.
Well, Google started it when they tried to avoid paying Java SE license to use it in embedded devices.

For example, the guys from MicroEJ did the things the right way and don't have any issues with Oracle,

http://www.microej.com/products/device-software-development/...

Good luck finding those.

Even Fortran, C and C++ compilers depend on the work that a few corporations like Apple, Google, Intel, Microsoft,... put working on the compilers and sending employees to ANSI meetings.

Our laws governing software are so fundamentally broken already lol. It doesn't matter anymore.
This is not helpful. Specifically, petulance will not lead to improvement.

To that end, do you have any suggestions on making things better? Do you contribute to any organizations that are trying?

I still don't understand why Google did not buy Sun Microsystems. They hired a lot of the staff anyway, and could have avoided the lawsuit.
Hiring the staff and handling the lawsuit - Google has their own in-house law firm anyways - has likely worked out to be cheaper for them than buying Sun Microsystems would have been.
Yes, but the downside on a lawsuit if Oracle prevails will be much worse.

Imagine, if you will, all that Sun IP in the hands of Google instead of Oracle. ZFS might have gotten a license friendlier to Linux, Solaris could have stayed open source, and I would put money on Google having spun Java out into a completely open foundation that wouldn't have done what Oracle has done with new EE versions.

It's $7.4 billion they didn't need to spend. The legal fees are a fraction of that.
So edgy.